land registry title deeds

Hi, I have purchased an apartment 2 years ago, and I have checked online that all other 13 out of 14 apartments have their title register ready, even for one of the flats that was sold one year later than mine. https://help.landregistry.gov.uk/app/contactus_general Elizabeth - I'm sorry to read that you have had such an awful experience. We payed of our mortgage 2017, we have now decided to move closer to family, I sent off my £7 for my title deed in September as I believe you need it to sell your house or prove its yours,not heard anything, your help would be appreciated May I assume therefore, that the paper Title Deeds do not need to be amended because digital records of legal title are now held in Land Registry? 3. “Unregistered Land” – “Unregistered land” is property the title to which is not registered or deemed to be registered in the Land Registry under the Registration of Title Act 1964. As to the deeds themselves, as mentioned in the blog if the property is registered with us, then we will hold the electronic title record. 4. We are in a tricky situation because when the person who built our house sold it they didn’t get consent for the build of our house from the ground rent owners. By international comparison, Ireland has a very extensive and well developed system of land registration. The Land Registry are the government organisation responsible for maintaining a record of property ownership in England and Wales. posted on We can't interpret the lease for you so very much something to rely on your conveyancer for and/or if in doubt discuss with your fellow freeholder also. Can I still even buy the house and if so could this cause me a problem if someone turns up with the paper deed later? We no longer have a mortgage nor have we notified anyone as we were not aware that it was necessary to do so. Comment by I'm wondering can anyone shed light on my situation. I have recently purchased my Right To Buy Maisonette Flat. Any help would be greatly appreciated. on 06 March 2019, Sandra - cym552050 is the freehold title which you own with Stephen. posted on We had given our house deeds to the Natwest Bank as security for our business borrowings in 1990 and have the letter from them stating that the bank holds these original deeds. Is it typically days or weeks? If i write to the Registry with all the details, will they be able to tell me who that was? posted on If you want to check then use our online guidance https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-impact-on-hm-land-registrys-services#contacting-hm-land-registry, Comment by If your solicitor is a conveyancing one they can apply online in most cases for all three, Comment by on 28 May 2019. thank you for your response, I have just found the document that I placed an order on for title deeds and the bank names are edited off it now. You're welcome. on 30 April 2018. AdamH We bought our home back in 2002 and have recently realised (after searching online for our property valuation) we are not registered with Land Registry. posted on This country has a pay up and shut up service. H - we do have a backlog although it would not normally stretch that far back unless the application was lodged a little later as in late Jan/early Feb for example. Comment by Now we can't find them, so far. Comment by If so then our PG 2 explains what will be required to register if the deeds were lost https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/first-registration-of-title-where-deeds-have-been-lost-or-destroyed, If you are concerned then I would encourage you/her to make an application to register the property now and remove such concerns https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/first-registrations, Comment by on 20 May 2020, Joanne - there’s no DD option by post so it would be a postal order you need. Please see the links to guidance on GOV.UK - https://www.gov.uk/search?q=land+charges&filter_organisations%5B%5D=land-registry and also https://bit.ly/2r4bA1z . But those certificates would have only contained a copy of the title register and usually only copies of any conveyancing deeds. If you can't track the people down or the leases then it will be quite a task, Comment by Stewart - I am sorry you have been left a bit confused. Last year we lost a sale because we didn't have a signed copy of our title deeds, we have a copy but for some reason it's not signed. on 19 February 2020. Martyn souch The article above suggests this is not the case. Also, whether your are satisfied that the current storage is secure. Comment by Find land title information; Interactive mapping tools; How to access spatial data; Technology reveals more than 6,600 years of ancient wisdom at Budj Bim. posted on on 17 April 2019. Covenant/landlord consents You'd need to apply by post on form OC2 and a fee of £7 will be payable. Comment by When you bought your house from the Council there will have been no old deeds/documents as I assume the house was one of many they owned. My parents made a deed of gift to my husband and I of a piece of land that they owned in 1980. I don't want any hiccups with a discrepancy when it comes to selling. on 02 January 2019. Robert - As the property has not been registered with us we will not hold any information. Michael - I am replying as Adam is currently unavailable. posted on on 02 May 2018, IFC - the land register is held by us electronically so the 'electronic record' and register/title plan would be one and the same, Comment by Surely someone at the L.R. posted on My interest in tracing the family history of the ferryman turns up that the lease is for this derelict cottage and the land that my cottage sits on, which was built after in 1844! See https://hmlandregistry.blog.gov.uk/2018/02/27/drawing-the-line-on-boundaries/#comments, Comment by I was also told that it would be easier to solve this problem if the bank involved made the request, can you confirm that this is correct as they don’t seem very happy about it. The key with all such things is what you have in writing as well as what you remember. posted on on 15 March 2018, Don't no if I'm on right post posted on a very stressed Paul, Comment by Hello, on 14 September 2018, Raymond - lenders have a wide variety of ways of trying to explain such matters to their customers but the article explains what we hold and how the register and title plan are stored electronically. Does this sound like the land is registered and they just can't find it or nothing to do with the Land Registry? Please do contact us is you'd like us to look into your particular case: https://help.landregistry.gov.uk/app/contactus_general/?utm_medium=newsletter&utm_source=govuk&utm_campaign=death_contact_page_to_contact_form&utm_content=web_page . I am angry that we were treated this way, that we were not informed. ), Comment by posted on so its possible with the consent of the neighbour. on 15 February 2019. AdamH This registry has a mandate for facilitating the registration and provision of information relating to property transactions in the province. posted on I'd suggest talking this through with your solicitor, Comment by Comment by on 18 September 2020. Hi, how do i know if HM registry actually hold copies of my deeds ( as in all of them?) on 22 October 2019, Adrian - you have a choice in that the legal owner transfers it or you claim ownership and register it https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/adverse-possession-of-1-unregistered-land-and-2-registered-land However if the 'extra' detail does not relate to your property and/or is not specifically referred to on the title register then it is unimportant as it does not directly affect and would be read as such, Comment by Comment by Thank you Adam, my husband has reminded me that the form we filled in will be in his name john Yardley as we were not married at the time we bought the house,don't know if that will make any difference, I have so much appreciation for any dealing with forms all day Have been given this website: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/official-copies-of-documents-registration-oc2 posted on Rhys - postal order is the alternative to a cheque. on 14 April 2018. on 03 December 2019. If your purchase is now confirmed I would suggest that they make a further request and provide evidence to confirm the purchase is to take place, Comment by I have been searching through all our documents, trying to find something that may help and came across this: New Registration Certificate No: LC/209113/81. on 20 May 2019. posted on and how do I check if I still have ownership . on 06 March 2020. on 03 August 2018. AdamH on 17 August 2020. Julie Billington posted on This friend has produced a letter from his solicitor from 2011 when he was registering his house that says "the search revealed an entry which refers to restrictive covenants contained in a deed made on (date) which relates to 7073square meters of land in (town). If the right granted is flawed and/or hasn’t been used then you may need to look at getting a new right granted by #35 or see if you can claim the right. However that does not escape the basic tenet that it is the landlord/tenant;freeholder/leaseholder who should have a decent original. PeterM AdamH If you want a copy of the 2001 Deed as mentioned then you can apply for a copy by post using the link in the article, Comment by Marika - Hi, I am sorry to hear of the difficulties you and your family have experienced. Li - I would suggest contacting us initially to ascertain when the change was made and how. Comment by Lynnette, Lynnette - just reply to the auto response with the specifics, Comment by All I can add is that in my experience lenders can vary with regards their requirements both between lenders and even with individual lenders and their variety of mortgages for example. Many lenders converted their records to electronic format in recent times and their approach in dealing with original paper title deeds varied. on 23 June 2020, David - the register and title plan can be downloaded online. To find out more about this and Title Deeds read below. I have an official copy of register of title and plans but is there any way of finding out about the titles of the properties that made up the current title and the history of the property. Everything then depends on it being in order and what wider checks have to be carried out in light of the lost deeds etc, Comment by If you have a boundary issue then whilst they may be of interest/assistance they may not solve it for you anyway - see our PG 40 supplements 3-5 inc https://www.gov.uk/topic/land-registration/practice-guides, Comment by on 21 March 2020. Please suggest. I got in touch with them today as we have still not received them and have been told that I don't need paper deeds any longer and to contact land registry for copies. Would be very grateful for any advice you may have. If the seller had them and handed them over then I’d expect that to be via their own solicitor to your solicitor/you. AdamH (meaning - the intention all along was for both parties to be registered owners, the physical paperwork/deeds state this, the mortgage agreement states this, but the land registry does not). Not only that but my deeds, which I thought were secure, may well have disappeared in the post. Both properties are registered at LR but the titles do not mention anything about right of way. If I’m right in what you are saying the actual owner of the leases should have a copy in the event that the purchaser has lost their copy or in my case being supplied with one that cannot be read. on 31 May 2018, S Crean - we won't consider and decide whether the supporting evidence submitted is sufficient until the application to upgrade the title has been made. In my experience your mortgage lender at the time will definitely have held the Charge Certificate issued in 1987 but they may not have had the original deeds/documents to which you refer. on 26 March 2018, LeslieM - form OC2 is used to apply for a copy of the lease and you will need to confirm that it is a lease and it's date and title number as part of the form in panel 7. Could I get an idea of when I can expect to receive it please. on 03 October 2018, Still C - once a property is registered the electronic record is essentially the 'title deed'. Harsha We essentially have an administrative role in registering ownership and other interests in land and cannot comment the process for handling and retaining deeds that we have returned. Your original comment suggested that the solicitor who dealt land registry title deeds the land they intend to develop easy land... An estate agent advised me that they are lost thereafter it ’ s urgency! 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